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lot of dry and fine weather, temperatures pici weather, a lot of dry and fine weather, temperatures picking up into the high teens. perhaps 25 degrees but turning a little bit more unsettled later in the weekend. hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. the fire at notre—dame cathedral in paris is out. the blaze gutted the roof and toppled the spire, but major parts of the building have been saved. the french president promises the cathedral will be rebuilt. translation: we were able to build this cathedral more than a ten you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am and these are the main should years ago. sol stories this morning. this cathedral more than a ten should years ago. so i say to you daylight reveals the extent of very solemnly, we will rebuild this the damage at notre dame cathedral after it was engulfed cathedral altogether. this is probably part of french destiny. by a massive fire. it took nearly 15 hours crowd sings hymn. to extinguish the flames, parisians stood and sang which destroyed the spire and roof as they watched while flames engulfed one of the world's of the 850—year—old building. most iconic buildings. pictures from inside, translation: it's very sad. as the flames took hold, show it is one of the great the extent of the task still ahead. monuments of france. translation: there are hundreds it's feared some of the cathedral‘s of people who've died priceless stained glass to build the cathedrals windows have not survived. and in here is their memory, too.
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it hurts to see that. as efforts continue to rescue the treasures, hundreds of millions of euros are pledged but today the feeling to help rebuild. is almost one of relief — translation: we were able because the devastation could have to build this cathedral been so much worse. more than 800 years ago. we'll be live in paris. so i say to you very solemnly, we will rebuild this we can exclusively reveal there's been a 400% increase in the number cathedral altogether. of men being reported as victims of slavery and trafficking in the uk over five years. one man we spoke to was made to work six days a week for £1.66 a day. another says he was coerced into prostitution. so, open six years, how many women do you think you were forced with? two at least three to four everyday. they used me and they messed up my life. every week in the uk two women are murdered by a current or ex—partner. families of the victims are often
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further traumatized by how the crimes are reported. new guidelines out today are trying to change that. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. i've been asking if we brits should contribute — through expertise, or money — to the rebuilding of the iconic cathedral. caroline on twitter says, "part of the world's treasures so why would we not want to contribute expertise to help preserve what we can? to do otherwise would be churlish and insular. simon says, "yes! it is a wonderful building and britain needs friends." mark also says yes — "this would be real
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european co—operation." happy bird on twitter, "heartbreaking but let the expert craftsmen and women use this as an opportunity to teach the youngsters. yes, a worldwide appeal, it needs to be perfect again. tony on twitter, expertise, yes, of course. "i think the catholic church has enough money to rebuild notre dame many times over." do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. firstjoanna gosling has the news. firefighters in paris have finally extinguished the blaze that engulfed notre—dame cathedral, after working through the night. at its height, the smoke and flames could be seen from all over the city. the spire collapsed as the blaze tore through the timbers of the roof. president macron has promised to rebuild. translation: we were able to build this cathedral more than 800 years ago, so i say to you very solemnly, we will rebuild this cathedral, altogether. this is probably part of french destiny, and the project we will have for the coming years,
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but i am committed to it. and we will bring you the latest, live from paris, very shortly. there's been a 400% increase in the number of men being reported as victims of slavery and trafficking in the uk. national crime agency figures show a dramatic rise in men being forced into slavery, including sex slavery, and to give up their organs for others. the victoria derbyshire programme has gained exclusive access to a refuge for male victims of trafficking which has just opened in london — we'll have that report for you in the next hour. the record for the number of people in work has once again been broken, according to official figures out in the last half hour. there's been a big increase in full timejobs and self—employment over the past year. employment jumped by 179,000 in the three months to february, to 32.7 million, the highest total since records began in 1971. unemployment fell 27,000 to 1.34 million. wages continue to outpace inflation.
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taking statins to reduce cholesterol isn't working well enough for around half of the millions of patients who use them, according to new research. a study published in the heart medicaljournal, says it's unclear why some people don't respond, but it's thought some don't follow the instructions properly. girls in primary schools in england will get free sanitary products from next year. it follows last month's announcement that the products would be rolled out across secondary schools, which had been criticised for not going far enough. the scheme will be funded by the government. around 100 people have been arrested after climate change protests in central london. demonstrators blocked some of the capital's busiest roads and vandalised shell's headquarters yesterday. scotland yard said the majority of arrests were for public order offences and obstruction of the highway. new rules have taken effect to protect people who buy medication
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from online pharmacies. the general pharmaceutical council has issued guidelines to websites in england, wales and scotland, after a bbc investigation uncovered poor care by some providers. it says the measures will help control access to addictive medication, such as strong painkillers. scientists say a secluded area in the pyrenees mountains is covered with airborne microplastics. researchers from strathclyde university spent five months in the region between france and spain, and discovered that around 365 tiny plastic fragments or fibres settle on each square metre of land every day. the consumer group which says amazon's website is flooded with fake five—star reviews for products it's never heard of. which looked at hundreds of popular items including headphones, dash—cams, fitness trackers and smart watches — and discovered the top reviews were dominated by unknown brands. amazon says it's using automated technology to weed out false reviews.
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that is a summary of the news, i will hand you back to victoria. notre—dame has stood tall above paris since the 13th century, but yesterday one of the most famous buildings in the world went up in flames. it's been at the heart of paris through the french revolution and two world wars — a symbol of french and european culture. the fire appears to have started in the roof of the cathedral, where renovation works were taking place, before quickly spreading. within an hour it reached the landmarks giant spire. the spire then crashed to the ground, before the entire roof collapsed. the people of paris gathered and sang hymns. crowd sings hymn.
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they were among thousands on streets around the cathedral, watching the flames. some prayed, some were silent, some were crying. several churches around paris rang their bells in response to the blaze, which happened as catholics celebrate holy week. translation: i studied history and it is very important for me to come and see her, may be for one last time, before she was no longer there. translation: it is very sad, it is one of the great monuments of france. translation: hundreds of people die to build the cathedral, and in here is the memory. it hurts to see that. firefighters then spent hours working to prevent one of the iconic bell towers from collapsing. emergency teams managed to rescue valuable artwork and religious items, including what is said to be the crown of thorns worn byjesus
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before his crucifixion. all of them were stored inside the cathedral. this image from inside the cathedral shows the smoke around the altar, in front of the cross as the fire continued to burn. we will just we willjust move that writing across it. reaction has been pouring in from around the world. former us president barack 0bama described notre dame as one of the world's great treasures, he went on, "and we're thinking of the people of france in your time of grief. it's in our nature to mourn when we see history lost — but it's also in our nature to rebuild for tomorrow." historian dan snow said, "what we build, we can rebuild. their essence endures. notre dame will rise again." the president of the european commission, jean claude juncker said, "our lady of paris belongs to the whole of mankind. what a sad spectacle. what a horror. i share the emotion of the french
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nation, which is also ours." paris mayor anne hidalgo said, "this is a tragedy for the whole world. notre—dame is the entire history of paris." this morning, firefighters say the fire has been completely extinguished. the president of france, emmanuel macron, has already pledged that the cathedral will rise again. translation: we were able to build this cathedral more than 800 years ago, soi this cathedral more than 800 years ago, so i say to you very solemnly, we will rebuild this cathedral altogether. this is probably part of french destiny and the project we will have for the coming years, but iam will have for the coming years, but i am committed to it. a national fundraising campaign will be launched. jonathan dodd saw the fire last night from his girlfriend's flat.
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robert hardman is a daily mail journalist. he got access to the cathedral last night and is on the phone from outside there now. and patrick klugman is the deputy mayor of paris. thank you for speaking to us. i wonder if you can tell us how you assess the damage at the cathedral today, mr klugman? the latest news we have this morning is much better than what we were frightened of last night. the structure of notre—dame is preserved. the church of notre—dame is still standing in front of my window as i speak. 0ne is still standing in front of my window as i speak. one of the towers of notre—dame which was built lately, in the 19th century, was
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destroyed. the structure is deeply damaged but the church is still standing. robert hardman, you were in the cathedral last night, url decided this morning. could it have been so much worse? —— you are inside it this morning. go ahead, mr hardman. sorry, crossed wires. -- url decided this morning. when i arrived, people we re this morning. when i arrived, people were talking about catastrophes, people were not coming to look at a fire, they were planning to pay their last respects. at around midnight the flames got under control, i got inside at about 1am,
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accompanying a small party with the french prime minister. it was amazing to be there, embers were crashing down, there was an inch of water, terrible damage, but the two towers were there and standing strong. it is incredibly important, the mood has changed from complete despair last night to one of sadness and optimism this morning. the two bell tablets remain. i don't know if either of you has heard, patrick or robert, some pretty extraordinary stories of firefighters giving extraordinary things, not only to preserve the building and extinguish the flames but to get a ultra religious a rtefa cts a nd but to get a ultra religious artefacts and works about? there we re artefacts and works about? there were some extraordinary acts of heroism, we understand. -- artefacts and works of art. at around 2:30am,
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is the first firefighters went away for a well earned breather, as they ci’oss for a well earned breather, as they cross the bridge from this island to the south bank of the river, huge cheers and applause from the crowd. there is a sense of the fire but has done a lot to salvage what is obviously a global treasure. —— the fibre gate has done. patrick klugman, can you give us more insight into the work of the firefighters? apply sorry, on that i do not have any more much to say. two i think we will know more —— i think we will know more on the exact impact of the church, the religious objects. at this stage i think it is too early for me to comment. let me
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bring in jonathan george, too early for me to comment. let me bring injonathan george, how far away where you from the cathedral and what could you see? away where you from the cathedral and what could you see ?|j away where you from the cathedral and what could you see? i am certain my girlfriend's flat about 100 metres away —— sat in my girlfriend's flat. there were about four others, somebody spotted the smoke, we watch for about ten minutes, not knowing what was going oi'i. minutes, not knowing what was going on. then we saw the flames and we knew we were seeing something quite horrific. in terms of the response of firefighters, by all accounts they did a brilliant job? the size of the fire we saw about 20 minutes and was pretty spectacular, to think they managed to get better under control. from where i am certain now i can see the two belltower still standing. it is only at the back you see how gutted the rest of the building is. life is still going on.
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patrick klugman, as deputy mayor, how important was it for uta your president say last night as the fla mes president say last night as the flames continued, that notre—dame would be rebuild? actually, we have lost the line to patrick klugman. how important do you think it was, robert hardman? i think we might have lost the line to robert hardman as well. patrick, can you hear me? no. apologies, we will try and sort out the line to patrick klugman and robert hardman in just out the line to patrick klugman and robert hardman injust a moment. 0ur correspondents hugh schofield is in paris, i was asking our previous guests how important it was for the president of france to say that notre—dame would be rebuilt as the fla mes
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notre—dame would be rebuilt as the flames continued to burn? it was very striking when he came down at about midnight last night and said those words. i think he had to, i think they were the words that any french president would have said, but he said them well and with his true sense of rhetoric and commitment, it was what people wa nted commitment, it was what people wanted to hear. through france's history, the popular will, french destiny, notre—dame had to be returned and restored to its former glory. he could not have said anything else. but he said it well, it mattered and it cantered. the vice has the conversation already started about how much the rebuilding project should be a french project and how much it should be international? of course there already was a big renovation project at notre—dame, and where the division of labour
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between the state and philanthropists was already at issue, some people say the state could have contributed more, and people who run the cathedral were saying part of the policy is not to charge, so we can't raise money, we need to look at every avenue for raising money, so that means looking abroad. the americans have been very generous and contributing to this already existing fund for notre—dame, and the scaffolding you can see which was to provide work around the spire, renovate the spire, and on the stonework around, which was in a terrible state, so watch really has to happen is simply that that pre—existing fundraising enterprise has to be ramped up to the nth degree to cope with this much largerjob and a vastly larger job, restoring the whole roof, spire
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and whatever damage is inside. chris says i hope people from across the world support the rebuilding. master on e—mail says we in britain should contribute, i was just thinking where to send a donation. notre—dame will be reborn. garrett says if a rich country of 70 million people penetrate the money, the very wealthy catholic church can help. peter says we should help our french friends with all our expertise in cathedrals and other historic buildings. nan says we should not contribute financially until our homeless are housed, should we even think about contributing to rebuild notre—dame cathedral. presumably there will be a conversation about whether the rebuilding is a replica of what has been lost, or is there an opportunity for something different? i am sure they will try to replace it more or less as was. what has been lost, the roof and the
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spire, were not necessarily all original medieval parts of the cathedral. the spire certainly went up cathedral. the spire certainly went up in the 19th century, it was part of the work, the restoration work, following the damage of the revolution. the spire had fallen down before the revolution. so the spire that was only there was a 19th century spire, an imitation of the medieval craftsmen who had pitted the original. some of the timbers we re the original. some of the timbers were medieval but lots of them had been put in in the 19th century to replace dilapidated and rotting beams and so on. we must not get too precious about this. any building this old is a work in progress. there are original beds and bits which aren't. the french will have to lead the task of bringing notre—dame back to how they want it to look, but then i suspect priority would be to imitate as much as possible what it was before, because
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thatis possible what it was before, because that is what people would expect. the building stands, the architecture stands, the flying purchasers and vaults are still by keeping up these monumental gothic worlds. —— the flying fare. there is not that you can do to be innovative with a roof, so they will try to do that. nick says we should help to restore this treasure anyway we can put a healthy contribution from the catholic church would not go on this. vanessa says i have every confidence this country will help with the renovation of notre—dame. we are blessed with many dedicated craftsmen and women, we have been banned together with our horror of the fire and will remain in solidarity as it restores —— is restored. 0ne tweet says we should not contribute unless we rehouse all of the people who survive the gronefeld
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fire, where 72 people died. philippa says no, in a world —— in a word. let merkel help her mate out. another dealer says it is important that the people of the uk show, because share skills with our near neighbour. it is part of our history, not just french neighbour. it is part of our history, notjust french history. as a third generation londoner, i will be making contribution. should we contribute in funding and expertise or both to the rebuilding of notre—dame? get in touch, please. our exclusive story today: there's been a 400% increase in the number of men being reported as victims of slavery and trafficking in the uk. 0ver over the last five years. national crime agency figures show a dramatic rise in men being forced to work as slaves, forced to give up their organs for others, and forced to work as prostitutes. 0ne victim we spoke to said he was made to sleep
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with thousands of women — three to four women every day he claimed — for six years. another man was forced to work six days a week for £1.66 per day. 0ur reporter clairejones has gained exclusive access to a refuge for male vicitms of trafficking which hasjust opened in london, and has met some of the men brought to this country against their will. the large numbers of men who are trafficked are trafficked for reasons of forced labour, and a smaller number will be victims of sexual exploitation. they are wicked. wickedness. for a young boy like me to go through that. sometimes you feel like, what's the point of life? after i was beaten, i learnt my lesson. i thought about killing myself. it would be better to just die
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and forget about everything. over the past five years, the number of men being trafficked to the uk has risen dramatically. the national referral mechanism monitors the number of victims of trafficking and modern slavery. and in 2014, figures show there were more than 800 men being trafficked to the uk. that number has risen year on year. last year, there were nearly 4000 men referred into the national referral mechanism. we've spoken to mike who, at 12 years old, was brought to the uk from africa and told he would go to school. but his traffickers planned to exploit him. mike isn't his real name — he's asked us to change it as he's still living in fear of his traffickers. when you got here, he said,
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you're not going to school, you'lljust be working for me. what did that work involve? gardening, cleaning houses, from morning to night, six days a week. and what did you get for that? sometimes i was getting £40 a month. it was normal people. he said he was going to do the work but instead of him doing thejob, he took me there to do the job and he was the one taking the money. customers raised questions about his age, so his traffickers wouldn't let him stay anywhere for long. he worked for ten years. sometimes people start questioning too much about me, so we would go to a new place where no—one would know us. we've moved to 30 different houses during the ten years. mike lives his life in fear and is constantly aware of the threat to his brother's life, who is also working for the same traffickers in another country. all the time was here, i was doing things i didn't want to, but because i know if i don't something will happen to him. so you think if you go back to your
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home country you'll be killed? straightaway. my parents were killed in 2005 and one of my brothers in 2006. they killed them and shot them in the head. the trafficker started looking to move me and my brother to the uk. with no education orjob, mike is concerned about what the rest of his life will be like. now, reaching this age, no education, nothing, sometimes you feel like, what's the point of life? it would be better to just die and forget about everything. 0ne london—based charity looks after victims of trafficking and modern slavery in five safe houses across south east england. we've gained exclusive access to their newest safe house, that houses six men. so, six weeks ago, this modern slavery safe house opened. let's have a look inside. this is a space where the men, who are extremely vulnerable,
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can feel at home. but they have few possessions or memories of their life before being trafficked. one of the things you will notice is that there are no photographs... no. ..on the wall. we know that men who've been trafficked and are victims of modern slavery, many of them will have lost parents as a child. if they do have photographs, they're often taken as them as part of the abuse and by their captors. as more victims of modern slavery are referred into the national referral mechanism, accommodation is limited. so rather than a safe house like this, men are living with family and friends, sofa surfing, or even becoming homeless. this is the kitchen. there are six men living here from right across the world and most of them will be very isolated and will all be struggling with their own traumas. so a natural community with the people you live with and having a space in which they can come together, in which they can make friends
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and cook, is really important. and can the men bring back visitors to the house? no, they can't. even though these men are now safe and they're living with us, and that they remain at risk from their exploiters. and we have had cases in the past where their traffickers have traced them down. that's horrendous. and i just suppose the fewer people who have access to this address the safer it is for anybody. some men now identifying themselves as victims have been in the country for years. people are often surprised to learn that somebody had been trafficked five years ago or ten years ago or 15 years ago. but it is that long before somebody might be able to acknowledge it to themselves, to understand in even a small way what's happened and to be in a position where they might just be able to tell somebody about it. peter — again, not his real name — was brought to the uk from nigeria
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in the ‘90s and sexually exploited for six years by women. decades after his abuse, he has only now signed up to the national referral mechanism, moved into a safe house and told his story. so over those six years, how many women do you think you were forced to have sex with? i know at least three to four women every day. so three to four women every day for six years? yes. so thousands of women, potentially? honestly. yes. and how did that make you feel? they are wicked. wickedness. for a young boy like me to go through that. they used me, they messed up my life. and if i say i don't do it, it's a problem for me. after i was beaten, i learnt my lesson. i thought about killing myself when i was there.
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peter was taken from house to house, where he was forced to sleep with women and take drugs and alcohol. he has no idea how many children he's fathered while he was being sexually exploited. i know countless women that i sleep with without using protection. maybe there are children now. and i hope those woman know what they did to me. it's wrong, because they would not wish their son to be in that kind of situation. one of the women who had been abusing peter offered to help him leave his traffickers to live with her. once she picked him up, he escaped at a motorway service station. by the time this got to like three years, four years, then i said, when is this going to stop? it was from there i knew that, if i don't go out of here, i might die.
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so... and if i die, nobody would know. the abuse peter endured has had a long—lasting effect on him. they messed up my life. i'm almost 50 and i look up and... i don't have a hope. as more men than ever before acknowledge they have been trafficked to the uk and seek the help they need, there are still thousands of men living behind closed doors or in plain sight who need to be rescued from their traffickers. i think the public can can do a lot by paying attention to some of the signs. if a service you're buying is very, very cheap then it's probably too good to be true. but there are other signs we can watch for as well in terms of how free people are to move around, how free they are to make decisions, how engaged they are. whether somebody's watching over them. we can all together tackle
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what is both an illegal activity but an absolutely brutal crime. let's speak now to tamara barnett, who is projects leader at the human trafficking foundation. good morning and thank you for coming on the programme. why is there such an astonishing rise in male victims? we think this has been going on for years and traditionally we thought about trafficking, it was women, labour exploitation and what we are beginning to recognise as labour exploitation is a bigger problem than sexual exploitation and it's not just about women and children, men arejust it's not just about women and children, men are just as vulnerable. when the un was trying to create a definition around
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exploitation, these are the kind of obstacles exploitation, these are the kind of o bsta cles we exploitation, these are the kind of obstacles we were coming across. exploitation, these are the kind of obstacles we were coming acrossm there a stigma for a male victim of trafficking, in coming forward? there's a huge stigma internationally. we did some work around victims returning to the country of origin, we found male victims when seen as victims or survivors, they were seen as failures by the community and families for the uk has had a huge role in terms of not recognising british men and it's a stigma in the sense of for example, a lot of british men are eastern european men who been trafficked and from elsewhere, often they were homeless oi’ elsewhere, often they were homeless or had addiction issues are what we find with families whose sons went missing, the police were actually refusing to recognise it. we've been talking about this issue for years, the police were regularly telling families your son is not missing or evenif families your son is not missing or even if he was found, bodies were found on a traveller site, they had been severe exploitation, the families were dismissed and told their sons were addicts and homeless. there's been a huge amount
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of stigma around male victims in the uk from britain. let alone from abroad. is there enough help for them? i would say there is not. and we started creating safe houses with the government around support it was only for women, now you can see we are beginning to see there are safe houses for men but outside the statutory government support there's not enough women and children but this is not, almost nothing from thence we see men very vulnerable thence we see men very vulnerable then the exit government support. and that they don't get the help they need, they require what will they need, they require what will the future hold? often men who been targeted is because they have vulnerabilities, they might have no family, they might have learning difficulties or addictions, then the exit government support all those vulnerabilities are still the same and infact vulnerabilities are still the same and in fact some of them are often worse because of the trauma so what we hear anecdotally because there isn't data on this is where police. some have referred male victims into government support system multiple times because every time the man exit support he becomes destitute
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and gets re—targeted by traffickers. read trafficking cycle can continue despite having had support? yes. exactly. being rescued as a short—term fix. and that's one of the bigger asks and we are really pushing for, long—term support is provided to victims of trafficking. what does that mean practically come do you mean specifically? needs led, rather than having support and when a person is recognised by the government is trafficked, they get 45 days and they leave, what we say is some victims might need several yea rs of is some victims might need several years of support, counselling, guidance around training for new work or some of them might need long term safeguarding if they have serious challenges, so it really depends on the individual but at the moment it's not individual lead, it's just a fixed type of support for every individual involved. thank you. and if you've been affected by any
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of the issues we've been dicussing , help is available via bbc actionline. go to slash actionline , or call 0800 066 066 lines are open 24 hours a day, and all calls are free. we had such a big response from you yesterday when we reported on the teenager with autism who was put in an isolation booth at her school a shocking 245 times. ‘sophie', not her real name, wrote us a letter describing what it was like in them, saying she felt "alone, trapped and like no—one seemed to care". she tried to take her life while in an isolation booth. her mum, in herfirst ever interview, has written to the department for education threatening legal action, unless the government reviews its use of isolation booths. she told me how they affected her daughter. her words are spoken for her. she spoke to us alongside her lawyer. i can't even begin to explain how it makes me feel, knowing that every day i'd sent her into the school
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and they were placing her in this situation and that she felt that alone that she wanted to take her own life because she felt like she had no life. she wasn't allowed to be a part of any school life. and she had written a letter saying that she planned to harm herself. yes. before she took these tablets. you were not told of that by the school, i understand. no, it was never disclosed to me. i only found out about the letter a month ago and the letter was written two months before she actually tried to harm herself. why did they not tell you? i have no idea. what do you think about the fact that they didn't tell you? i think that is atrocious. the school were aware that she was under camhs so it's like the child mental health. so it should have been something that should have been disclosed to them as well. i feel like i've failed, like i've failed her as a parent and that the school that should be held responsible. there should be someone that makes the rules and the schools are just
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making whatever rules they see necessary because they're allowed to... they're allowed to run the isolation booths however they see fit because there is no guidelines. there isn't any guidance as to how long children are allowed to stay in there and what they're allowed to be in there for. notjust children with disabilities — it's everyday children, causing severe mental health problems. after that interview went out yesterday, some of you got in touch to tell us about your children's experiences with isolation booths. a mother emailed to say: when my son, who has autism, was in infant school, he was regularly made to sit outside the classroom door on his own for long periods of time. i took him out of school and i now home school him. jim emailed to say: my daughter has autism and there must be a deterrent for bad and disruptive behaviour? what happens to the students who are affected by the behaviour? teachers are fighting a losing battle against the growing amounts of unacceptable and even violent behaviour towards them and children who actually attend school to learn! sophie tweeted: my daughter was put
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in an isolation booth. her headphones for managing sensory overload were taken away from her and she broke down from the silence, stress, panic & claustrophobia. i genuinely do not understand why schools don't understand how wrong this is. john also got in touch. we have changed his name to protect the identity of his 16—year—old son who has autism and has lost count of the number of times he was placed in an isolation booth. he's now been take out of school. i spoke to him earlier alongside geoff barton, who is general secretary of the association of school and college leaders. 0urson our son was 0urson was in our son was in isolation in a pew times at school for very different reasons. but the outcome of that, again, last time he was in, was quite a prolonged period and he became, he had been quite depressed, he wasn't doing anything at home, he
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was coming home and putting himself in his room and staying there and not talking and his education was suffering for it. what kind of reasons was he being placed in the isolation booth for? so, there's various silly reasons, the first silly reason was his hair colour, the school deemed to be an inappropriate hair colour, he dyed his hair blonde. the last reason was he himself into some trouble out of school with some friends during school with some friends during school time where a lad had given him a smoke, it was a drug smoke and he had taken it and it made him feel quite unwell so he went to school and reported it told what had happened and gave names of the other students. he was sent home from school that day because he was under the influence, we weren't very happy with him but the outcome of that was the school decided he was no longer allowed in the school main area, he
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had to be on his own and that was going to be for a very prolonged period. he only has 12 weeks left of school, because he's coming up to his gcses. but the outcome of it sadly was his depression. right. how much do you believe your son ‘s autism was relevant to the way sometimes he behaves? it's hard to tell sometimes because he's a teenager, he will go and do silly things anyway. his autism does drive him to please his friends, he is very easily led and if he thinks he's being popular or he's being cool he's being popular or he's being cool, that's one of the things we've a lwa ys cool, that's one of the things we've always struggled with with him and he will go and do things that he didn't ought to do and he doesn't necessarily way of the consequences before, because his friends have said, come on, it will be a laugh, it will be good fun, so he goes off
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and does these things. we genuinely believe the autism plays a part in that. how many times would you say your son has been put in an isolation booth? over his years in school it must be 20 or 30 times for various different things. what do you think of that, as his dad?” think if the punishment fit the crime and four may be a day, absolutely. you know, they cannot be allowed to get away with everything. but to then put them in there permanently is just not the way forward , permanently is just not the way forward, it does absolutely no good forward, it does absolutely no good for their mental health or education. which is why you now home—school your son. education. which is why you now home-school your son. yes. yes. education. which is why you now home-schoolyour son. yes. yes. one of the big fallouts we had with the school was surrounding his mental health. the school weren't able to put anybody with him to help with his education. he is also dyslexic so he struggles to read. they were
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just giving him piles of work to do. and he wasn't able to do it, he would spend all day at school doing absolutely nothing. and we had various meetings with the school, they refused to budge on their decision to punish him in this way so we've withdrawn him from the school. he is actually still a member of the school and will be doing his gcses there. and the school have accepted the fact that he is becoming depressed and that we are worried about his mental health so they are prepared for us to have him at home and do work with him. ok. it's him at home and do work with him. 0k. it's not ideal. no, i'm going to bring in geoff barton, from the association of school and college leaders. how do you react to our exclusive yesterday about the teenage girl who tried to take her own life in an isolation booth after spending months on end there and your reaction to the fact that it's happening to other people around the country? i think anybody, whatever
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their position in society is bound to be concerned by that and what i know representing 19,000 head teachers and deputies and assistant head is none of us came into this business to leave children feeling depressed. clearly system failure of some kind is going on. it's difficult to comment on the case because i don't know the details but it might be useful to reflect on whatjohn said it might be useful to reflect on what john said about the idea it might be useful to reflect on whatjohn said about the idea of isolation booth. i was a head teacher for 15 years, we had isolation booth and essentially, used properly and appropriately, what it's doing is sending out a message that if you are in a class of 28 young people and you are misbehaving and the teacher has got a numberof misbehaving and the teacher has got a number of sanctions they can tell you of, review to sit near them, send you outside. but ultimately, the teacher has also a responsibility to the rest of the class. of course, absolutely and no one would disagree with that but would you accept that some head teachers, potentially some of your members are misusing isolation booth? certainly the isolation booth that we use, we expect the student
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to be in there for a day or two days and that they are in there for more than that clearly it's defeating the purpose. they are being misused? sorry? they are being misused. they are certainly being used in a way that defeats the purpose in a sense andl that defeats the purpose in a sense and i think part of the recent maybe this is purely speculation, is one of the things we were able to do is a comprehensive school in east anglia, was to be able to work with other services, to her children not in isolation booths but was drawn from lessons to be able to work with teaching assistants, specialist teaching assistants, specialist teaching assistants, specialist teaching assistants in order to try and reintegrate them and one of the things we definitely know as funding is making that much more difficult. there will be head teachers listening to the same we are criticised if we exclude children from school so what we try and do is them in school. it sounds like a blunt instrument using isolation booth, i totally understand that and i think that was acknowledged by the father but we have to do something which is trying to keep more young people in schools in different ways that means a different form of thinking. i'm interested that you find it difficult to say, yes,
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sometimes isolation booths are being misused. will the only reason is i don't like to comment on one side of the case, i would want to hear what the case, i would want to hear what the school has done. could there ever be an explanation or justification for sunday been put in an isolation booth over 240 times? no, it seems to me that is pretty unthinkable and there's bound to be bad for the young person and for the school, really is well doing that because you're not educating the child in the way you want to. but againi child in the way you want to. but again i want to avoid commenting on the specifics because i haven't seen the specifics because i haven't seen the whole case but the principle of it, isolation booths are one form or sending out a pretty clear message, if you continue to behave in a particular way you forfeit your right to be in the classroom but there have to be other measures of support. that costs. and at the time of significant funding issues we start to see things like teaching assistants and support structures for young people disappearing, assistants and support structures foryoung people disappearing, i'm afraid. the teenage girl we spoke to yesterday and her mum want isolation
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booths band. would you disagree with that? i would, actually. booths band. would you disagree with that? iwould, actually. ithink one of the things that the english education system in particular should be able to do is to say governors are the people responsible for the behaviour policy in their school. they will take a decision about what is appropriate. there will be a complaints procedure for parents who disagree. some schools won't have the booths are dull, they decided it's not for them, other schools like the one i led dead, we use them very appropriately and proportionately. that was a decision be made and we were held accountable for that through the governing body. the department for education says pupil welfare must always be put first. its guidelines say children should be in isolation no longer than necessary. in a statement about sophie's story — the teenager who was put into isolation 240 times — they told us: "we are considering the letter carefully. "it would be inappropriate to comment further at this stage." the letter that sophie ‘s mum wrote to the department of education
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asking for a review of the use of isolation booths. every week in the uk two women are murdered by a current or ex—partner. now new guidance is being published for howjournalists should report on these domestic violence related murders. ipso, which is the largest independent regulator of newspapers and magazines, will be putting the new advice on its website today. families of victims of domestic violence related murders are often further traumatized by how the crimes are reported, with speculation on why the perpetrator may have committed the crime, and sometimes putting blame on the victim. here are some of the examples of headlines we found. and just a warning that some of them are quite shocking and you might want to get any children watching to leave the room for the next few minutes. in the metro, this headline
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there are many more examples. let's talk to the ceo of advocacy after fatal abuse — aafda — frank mullane and janey starling from the campaign group level up. frank: — your sister and her son were killed by her husband. how did the reporting affect you? imagine how astonishing it is, you are dealing with a double murder, massive and
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unique in ‘s life and all of a sudden start picking up newspapers, which have a narrative which com pletely which have a narrative which completely underestimates what happened, it appears to be influencing blame towards a victim and is completely trivialising what is going on. what impact does that happen? a huge impact. it's one of the reasons i set out this charity, after 2008, to help families and to help them rebalance and find their way through the review after domestic homicide reviews and inquest. we have now helped hundreds of families with a team of advocates working across the country. those families are traumatised by the types of headlines which completely trivialise and underestimate what has happened. janie, why is this going on, why a journalist writing stories that particularly, when a man has killed a woman, a current
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partner or an x partner, seems to find an explanation for that murder? imean, i'm find an explanation for that murder? i mean, i'm not ajournalist, i personally cannot understand why some of these headlines come out. there seems to be a stock template which romanticises homicide and jilted lover, and then come upwards the method of killing and then attaches after the moment 's actions which is completely inaccurate. 0ne of the main problems with the way this is reported is it doesn't accurately portray the context and character of the relationship, the build—up towards that and you know, it's not in the public interest to have this inaccurate reporting because it doesn't help us as people, as communities, identify people, as communities, identify people in our lives or that may be at risk of quite severe domestic or homicide. you read all newspapers and plenty of websites and someone every single morning. every morning. do you see any improvement in the way we in the media report on such
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cases? sadly not and i wish i could tell you it was a specific headline or outlet that is responsible for these articles but it's not. it's a systemic problem and that's why we produced this guidance in collaboration with frank and luke and ryan hart. who'd been on our programme many times. they've been brilliant. loads of journalists, lots of female journalist, lots of journalists who want to see this changed within the sector and we've been working together because there doesn't seem to be any resources on how you should be reporting on this, very sensitive and very frequent crime. what will change from today from these new guidelines go up on the press watchdog website? hopefully this should mark, with ipso putting their weight behind these guidelines and the other press regulator, hopefully people will recognise they don't have any more excuses for using romanticised cliches and they will have resources on the lead up towards a domestic
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homicide and what to look for in these cases. we know that 79% of homicides happen within six months of separation, that's huge, but you would never know that from the way papers report things. no. you think this will make a big enough difference to help victims of those who lose their lives in domestic abuse —related murders and also, as janie was saying, so that people reading these stories will understand, my god, this is domestic abuse, this is happening to my sister, mother, brother? it remains to be seen but i congratulate janie on this terrific work. i think she's done this so quickly after setting up done this so quickly after setting up this campaign group and having this national exposure and fantastic measures, i congratulate you on that. it's a great service to these families. it's really important, secondary trauma is a recognised condition these days, it's been visited on families by the behaviour is persons after the homicide has
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occurred so that includes u nfortu nately, occurred so that includes unfortunately, some of the behaviours of persons in criminal justice agencies. although, by and large there are some wonderful people doing wonderful work there are sometimes behaviours which appear to be around the rather than individuals which are clunky and inappropriate and that includes the reporting, i have to say.|j inappropriate and that includes the reporting, i have to say. i mean, i mentioned some of the headlines in some papers, hopefully i've still got my list of headlines with many more, although i probably left it over there now but you have some, give some examples to our audience, frank? in my sister plasma case there was one which talked about she had this new outlook on life after cancer which was a completely wrong comment and totally inaccurate. another one, a sunday tabloid was something like house of horrors, but all it does is feel trivial and
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quite horrific. another one was the despair of the father who killed his wife and son and we see that in most reporting, it's about him and his story, his despair and his difficulty, almost as if his love for them insulating from being blamed in some way and it becomes about love and the couple, she is blamed a crime of passion. exactly. something i would love to add because the hart brothers can be here and they've been a huge part of this campaign, something very powerful they say is meant like this feel that there is so petty is worth more than women 's lives and unfortunately, a lot of the way this is reported, it reflects that. thank you both so much. frank, i am going to give out your number for the organisation. i will put that on my twitter feed. i would be very grateful. thank you.
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let's return now to the blaze at notre dame cathedra, which has now been put out. firefighters fought for around nine hours to bring the flames under control and the main structure has been saved. investigators are trying to discover the cause of the blaze, which may have been linked to ongoing restoration works. mechtild rossler is director unesco world heritage centre thank you for talking to us. firstly, your reaction to what has happened at notre dame? look, we we re happened at notre dame? look, we were all in a state of shock, very sad to see the flames. we have been with the directorate general of last night. i went back to see the situation this morning, firefighters are still trying to get everything under control and cooling down the structure with water. we need the french authorities with them, and we will assess the situation and in my view it will not be that easy. in the case of rio dejaneiro, the museum at that point, we had to wait
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two weeks to enter the building, because it's quite a difficult situation and it could be potentially unsafe for experts to go into such a structure. right. it could have been so much worse. yes, absolutely. we are happy that the building still stands. restoration, rehabilitation and some people say, reconstruction, could be undertaken. we have mobilised here at unesco a whole network of experts. as you know, unesco has experts itself but we have a network around the world with our advisory bodies. so we are at the disposal of the french authorities. and i think with notre dame, we have a site where documentation is available, there is photography, all sorts of drawings and images are available. so it's
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not a situation which is difficult in terms of documentation. thank you so much for your time. thank you for talking to us. john e—mails to say i am neither french nor catholic. i am however aware that french heritage is part of our collective history. french is the soul of the english language and the culture of france is connected to our culture. we must do all we can to help build notre dame. argue for your messages today. have a good day. (tx float) hello. temperatures picking up as we move through the second part of this week and into easter weekend. some of us could see temperatures reaching 24—25d by easter sunday. todayis reaching 24—25d by easter sunday. today is generally cloudy, patchy abrasive rain, you can see the rain
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on the radarfrom earlier. gradually working its way east but it's not going to make much progress. we could see some outbreaks of light rain and drizzle perhaps putting into parts of the midlands, south east england later in the afternoon. sunny spells for cornwall and devon, the risk of one or two showers, dry with hazy spells sunshine for eastern areas but fairly breezy on the north—east coast. and that is keeping temperatures clipped back a touch. highs of 9—15d. as we move through the rest of the week and into easter weekend there will be a lot of dry and fine weather, 00:59:37,021 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 temperatures picking up into
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